Rock Box

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"Hard Times"
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"Rock Box"
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"30 Days"
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"Rock Box" is a song by the American hip hop group Run-DMC. The song was produced by Larry Smith and Russell Simmons and released by Profile Records in March 1984. Following the popularity of their previous two singles "Hard Times" (1983) and "It's Like That" (1983), Profile Records head suggested to the producers and group that they should attempt to record an album as they already had four songs ready, and releasing a few more would not hurt them. Despite speculating low sales from the label and the group not feeling that hip hop was a genre appropriate for a full-length album, they were given an advance to start recording. This led to Run-DMC members Joseph "Run" Simmons and Darryl "DMC" McDaniels going through their rhyme book to develop new songs, one of which would become "Rock Box".

After having to wait for the heavy metal band Riot to finish their studio time so the group could record new tracks, the group and producers were influenced by their loud guitar sound and attempted to create a guitar based track. After McDaniels and Simmons recorded their rhymes, Smith developed the track, including inviting his friend Eddie Martinez to record layers of guitar solos to match the song. On its completion, McDaniels and Simmons were unhappy with the sound as they assumed it would not be as guitar heavy and Profile Records president Cory Robbins was also not confident with it, feeling that it was "weird". The group gave a version of the song without the rock backing to Kool DJ Red Alert to play on New York radio, but it was Smith's version with the guitar that became the more popular version. "Rock Box" also featured a music video that became the first hip hop song to get regular rotation on the music video channel MTV.

"Rock Box" was released in early March, three weeks prior to the release of the group's self-titled debut album. The song was praised in contemporary reviews receiving praise in magazines such as Creem and Rolling Stone. In the 1984 Pazz & Jop critics poll released by The Village Voice, "Rock Box" tied with Afrika Bambaataa & James Brown's single "Unity" (1984) at seventh place as one of the top singles of the year. Run-DMC would continue their use of rock based tracks on many of the future songs, including "King of Rock" (1985), "Walk This Way" (1986) and "It's Tricky" (1986).

Background

Prior to the release of "Rock Box", Run-D.M.C. released their first single "It's Like That" in March 1983.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The song was released by Profile Records, a small New York-based independent music label known for dance music.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Journalist and Run-D.M.C. biographer Bill Adler stated that "It's Like That" was a large step away from the previous three and a half years of hip hop which was known for polished and high spirited songs released by Sugar Hill record label.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. This was followed by a tour where the group opened for funk music bands on the bottom half of double bills.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Profile released their second single "Hard Times" backed with "Jam Master Jay" in December 1983 which charted higher on Billboard's "Black Singles" chart than "It's Like That".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

After the success of the two singles, Profile Records decided to have Run-D.M.C. make a full-length album for both the group and the label.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Profile's president, Cory Robbins, recalled that after the success of "It's Like That" the group should record an album, feeling that it would be just a few songs, and Run-DMC already had four.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels, Joseph and Russell Simmons were originally against recording an album.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Robbins told them that they would be making these songs anyway and encouraged them to record, despite knowing that hip hop albums had not really sold well before.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Profile gave them a $25,000 advance for the album with fifteen thousand going towards recording and the remaining 10,000 being split between Smith, McDaniels, Russell and Joseph Simmons.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Whether Jay Mizell (Jam Master Jay) was paid for the record remains unknown.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Recording

Joseph Simmons would tell McDaniels to write about a particular subject which led him to fill his notebook with rhymes.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Russel Simmons and Larry Smith would go over lyrics deciding which ones to use, with McDaniels stating that both would "pass over any references to violence, guns, and shit like that."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels stated that Joseph Simmons and himself wanted to created "beat jams; we wanted to rhyme over the break beats that the DJs like Grandmaster Flash, Grand Wizzard Theodore, Charlie Chase, and Tony Tone were dropping on those cassette tapes before records were made."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Initially for "Rock Box", McDaniels was interested in using Billy Squier's "The Big Beat" (1980) as the backing music.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Smith had McDaniels use his DMX drum machine to lay out the beat which McDaniels changed a bit as he "didn't want to bite a sample".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The song predominantly uses the DMX drum machine while the rest of the track used a real bass, guitar, tambourines and cowbells and keyboards.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Smith, who played the bass on the track, brought in his friend, Eddie Martinez, from Hollis, Queens to perform guitar on "Rock Box".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels stated two versions of "Rock Box" were created as Joseph Simmons initially just wanted the beat, the rhymes and a little bit of echo on the track.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. When Martinez arrived, they played him the rhythm track and recorded one riff, rewound the tape and had Eddie play again which led to multitracking his part, which had him playing the harmony with himself, and the solo.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

McDaniels stated he "didn't want the guitar version playing in the hood." and both McDaniels and Joseph Simmons were initially not happy with the rock version.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels soon became more comfortable with the song after his friend named Yogi that lived near him kept "giving [him] all these praises about 'Rock Box,' and I'm looking at him like, 'You like it?'."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Joseph Simmons would appreciate the song later in his career, stating it wasn't "King of Rock" (1985) or "Walk This Way" (1986) that helped them the most, it was "Rock Box" that was "the record that took us out of the hood."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.[2]

Music and lyrics

"Rock Box" has been described as belonging to the hip hop and rap rock genres.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. According to Simmons, Run-DMC had to wait for the heavy metal band Riot to finish their session before entering the recording studio.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Simmons declared that after the group saw the guitars they wanted to use some as well.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels stated that the idea for a rock guitar in the song was created by producer Larry Smith.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Smith stated that his background was in rock music and that Russell Simmons "didn't care about rock'n'roll. Run didn't want nothin' to do with it."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Run-DMC were among the first hip hop releases to use a rock guitar; other notable predecessors' included the Treacherous Three's "Body Rock" from 1980.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Musically, Ira A. Robbins described the songs backing music in the Trouser Press Record Guide as melding a simple bass riff to the "thunderous rhythm tracks" and the "blazing rock guitar".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Adler described the lyrics of "Rock Box" as similar to that of their previous song "Sucker M.C.'s" (1983).Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.[2] The lyrics of that song involved disrespecting other rappers and how superior Run-DMCs raps were.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Joseph Simmons commented that when writing that song he wanted "nothing but hardcore b-boy, wizard, winning shit. Def b-boy stuff, like we used to do in the parks".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. In "Rock Box", Joseph Simmons discusses b-boy fashion with lyrics of "Calvin Klein's no friend of mine / Don't want nobody's name on my behind / It's Lee on my leg, sneakers on my feet, D by my side, and Jay with the beat."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Release

Prior to releasing the song, Russell Simmons played the track for Robbins at Profile Records who recalled it "was so weird [...] it just took getting used to. Now it seems so normal, but the first time I heard it was like "What is this", and not necessarily in a good way."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. "Rock Box" was released in March 1984, three weeks before the release of the studio album Run-D.M.C. on March 27, 1984.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Simmons found that "At first black radio didn't know what the fuck it was. They liked everything else on the album better [...] But they tried it for us, kids called the stations requesting it, and 'Rock Box' became a hit in those markets."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaneils stated that "black people loved the guitar version more than the hip-hop version." after the song was played by Kool DJ Red Alert in New York's KISS FM.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. By May 1985, "Rock Box" had sold over 750,000 copies.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Darryl McDaniels stated it took the release of "Rock Box" and their first album to get public acknowledgement, noting that he would drive down the highway after the release and a car of young women who drive next to him and scream excitedly recognizing him from Run-DMC.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

A version titled "Rock Box (B-Boy Mix)" recorded on January 10, 1984, was released on a deluxe version of the album Run-D.M.C. in 2005.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Music video

The music video for "Rock Box" was directed by Steve Kahn.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The video was budgeted at 27,000 dollars and was the first music video by the group and the Profile label.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The video begins in with an introduction by Professor Irwin Corey, a comedian billed as "The World’s Foremost Authority" who humorously compares hip hop and other music until McDaniels and Joseph Simmons arrive in a limousine.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The group arrives and begin performing "Rock Box" as their vehicle stops at the Danceteria, a then popular downtown rock club in New York.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Throughout the video the group is being watched admiringly by a young boy.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels recalled the making of the "Rock Box" video as "weird. We weren't into it. It was just something we were told to do. And the director had the idea to have some little boy chasing after Run-DMC, to show that we had appeal to the younger generation. A little white boy, too."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Run-DMC were the first rappers to get significant support from MTV as the video became the first hip hop music video to be in regular rotation on the channel.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. McDaniels recalled in 2011 that when "Rock Box" was shown on MTV, the staff at Profile Records were very excited, while at the time the group were unfamiliar with the network and were more interested in getting videos on the New York based public access television shows New York Hot Tracks and Video Music Box.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Joseph Simmons echoed the statement, recalling that the group "didn't know what MTV was, [...] but everyone was jumping around us like it was a big breakthrough. So we jumped with them."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Ann Carli, who worked with promotional material for artists at Jive Records, stated that Run-DMC's videos were played by MTV initially as the network felt Run-DMC "weren't threatening: they dressed like cartoon characters, in the hats and the jackets [...] a lot of their videos had a cartoon quality, and that was an easier fit for MTV."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The music video is shown again in a fictional Museum of Rock and Roll in the group's music video for "King of Rock" (1985).Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Reception

Bill Adler described "Rock Box"'s reception as being loved by rock music critics.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Roy Trakin praised the song in Creem, calling it "a searing rap rocker" and that the guitar solo by Martinez "does for hip-hop what Eddie Van Halen did for Michael Jackson - bringing it to a whole new audience."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. On reviewing their debut album in August 1984, Debby Miller of Rolling Stone noted that Run-DMC style of "Trading off lines or even the words within a line, they get into a vocal tug of war that’s completely different from the straightforward delivery of the Furious Five's Melle Mel or the every-body-takes-a-verse approach of groups like Sequence." and noted that varied musical approach of their songs including "Rock Box" which "set their clipped, back-and-forth exchanges to a crying hard-rock guitar solo, melting rap into rock lite it's never been done before."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. A reviewer credited as "Push" declared in Soundcheck that was "a superbly orchestrated collision of funk and ripping guitar"Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Reviewing a Run-DMC concert at the Danceteria, Richard Grable wrote in the 26 May 1984 issue of the NME ""Rock Box" is a stroke — the first guitar-fuelled beat box spawn of "Beat It" (1982) to mean anything."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. In the 1984 Pazz & Jop critics poll released by The Village Voice, "Rock Box" tied with Afrika Bambaataa & James Brown's single "Unity" (1984) at seventh place as one of the top singles of the year.[3]Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

From retrospective reviews, Robbins praised the track in the Trouser Press Record Guide, stating "Rock Box" was "The perfect combination — verbal acuity and theatrical drama matched by an inexorable pounding beat and the power of electric guitar" and helped "chip away the barriers that kept "black music" and "white music" segregated all through the '70s."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Tom Breihan of Pitchfork referred to the track as "The only real misstep" from their debut album, stating that it "buries a decent banger under layers of unbearable hair-metal guitar wheedling."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Legacy

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Martinez would return to play guitar for the group on "King of Rock" (1985). Steve Pond of the Los Angeles Times described that song as "Rock Box, Part II" and that it was "a conservative move that's paid off in MTV air play".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Robbins wrote in the Trouser Press Record Guide that the use of electric guitar on "Rock Box" and "King of Rock" led to directly to the groups other rock based tracks, including "Walk This Way", and the use of The Knack's "My Sharona" (1979) riff on Run-DMC's song "It's Tricky" (1986).Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.[2]Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Murray Forman wrote in his book The 'Hood Comes First: Race, Space, and Place in Rap and Hip-Hop that the new rock guitar based sound seen in similar song "8 Million Stories" (1984) by Kurtis Blow and "Rock Hard" (1984) by the Beastie Boys and showcased a drift away from the disco-based music of earlier rap music such as the use of Chic's "Good Times" (1979) as used in "Rapper's Delight" (1979).Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.[4] Forman followed up stating this rock oriented sound made hip hop music more accessible to white teenagers and moved hip hop music being performed at discotheques to larger arenas.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. The song influenced contemporary groups of the period. Ad-Rock of the Beastie Boys stated that the group was inspired by Run-DMC for their first album Licensed to Ill (1986), specifically noting "Rock Box" and "King of Rock" as their inspiration for a hybrid of rock and hip hop.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Hip hop group Whodini changed the music they were initially going to have on their album Escape (1984) after hearing "Rock Box".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Their album was initially going to have a rock music backing, but the group went with a more R&B influenced sound on the record after hearing "Rock Box".Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

"Rock Box" was listed among producer Questlove's top hip hop songs of all time in 2012, noting that the song's importance was not about its hybrid of rock and hip hop music, but that before Run-DMC, hip hop groups looked like they were "part of a Broadway production."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Questlove declared that America wanted music artists that looked and dressed like they did, and by doing so, "Run-DMC officially ushered in the B-boy period of hip-hop, where the every-man had a chance to escape poverty and invisibility and make it."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found. Questlove concluded that "the single that knocked down many obstacles enabling hip-hop to become the new gospel."Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.

Track listing

12" single (PRO-7045)[5]

  1. "Rock Box" – 6:56
  2. "Rock Box (Vocal Dub Mix)" – 6:00
  3. "Rock Box (Dub Version)" – 7:28

Credits

Credits adapted from the liner notes and expanded with information in the article.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.Lua error in package.lua at line 80: module 'Module:Footnotes/anchor_id_list' not found.[5]

References

Footnotes

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  1. ^ Page Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css has no content."ROCK: THE BEASTIE BOYS, RAP-METAL GROUP - The New York Times". The New York Times. December 29, 1986. Retrieved 2025-06-07.
  2. ^ a b c Page Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css has no content.Together Forever - Greatest Hits 1983-1991 (liner notes). Profile Records. 1991. FILER 419.
  3. ^ Page Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css has no content."The 1984 Pazz & Jop Critics Poll". The Village Voice. February 18, 1985. Retrieved 2020-01-27 – via Robert Christgau website.
  4. ^ Page Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css has no content."Rock Hard - Beastie Boys". AllMusic. Retrieved 2020-04-23.
  5. ^ a b Page Module:Citation/CS1/styles.css has no content.Rock Box (label). Run-D.M.C. Profile Records. PRO-7045.{{cite AV media notes}}: CS1 maint: others in cite AV media (notes) (link)

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